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 Post subject: airflow - bad combination thermistor
PostPosted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:37 am 

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Hello
I have received Airflow Breathing Sensor but it works only partly . I thing the airflow has a bug.

The sensor has three parts (left thermistor, right thermistor and thermistor for mouth.)
Thermistor for mouth and the right thermistor are positive and work ok. Left thermistor works ok but it is negative. It seems that bad combination of thermistors was used because the reaction is just opposite.

It means that the resistance of the thermistor for mouth and the right one are increasing with increasing temperature. The resistance of the left thermistor is decreasing.

We get the good result only when we use only left or right thermistor - it means only one.


The question is how you can solve it.
Thank you
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 Post subject: Re: airflow - bad combination thermistor
PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:21 am 

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Hi bbo,

Can you show us some photos of how do you connect the sensor to the board?

Which version of mysignals are you using?

Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: airflow - bad combination thermistor
PostPosted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:23 pm 

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Hi.
I using airflow adaptation circuit https://www.cooking-hacks.com/media/coo ... lth_v3.pdf

Thermistor for mouth and the right thermistor are positive and work ok. Left thermistor works ok but it is negative. Test Ohmmeter video:
http://krivan.vsnet.sk/~bobovsky/airflo ... 000551.mp4

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 Post subject: Re: airflow - bad combination thermistor
PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:06 am 

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Hi bbo,

The Airflow sensor is developed to work with MySignals HW & SW, we can't give you support if you are using it with other circuit.

In this photo and video, you can see the output and behavior that we get of the Airflow sensor using MySignals:

https://www.cooking-hacks.com/media/coo ... _5_big.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtxtDqo ... e=youtu.be

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 Post subject: Re: airflow - bad combination thermistor
PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:08 pm 

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Incredible.
I expected you will provide the technical professional help as well as the answers to my questions!!!

So I repeat:
I am using your sensor with the HW you have designed and I am using your circuits:
https://www.cooking-hacks.com/media/coo ... lth_v3.pdf
I hope that by this your requirement is fulfilled
so now you can meet with your technician and ask him for his opinion. Thank you.

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By using these circuits, your sensor gives wrong curves and wrong results.
They are different from those results which you showed you obtained.
My measurements provide these curves
for the left sensor only,
for the nose right sensor only,
for the both nose sensors together.
http://krivan.vsnet.sk/~bobovsky/airflo ... r-data.PNG
Apparently, it is broken and I told you also the reason which you have ignored for now.
Namely, it has inverse thermistors for the left and the right hole, and this I demostrated by ohmmeter measurement.
This was professionally ignored by you, for now.
Your sales department told me that in the case of reclamations the technical department has to write their opinion at the forum.

I ask for really technician opinion and for clear confirmation that the sensor is built of broken parts!!! And to pass the complaint back to the sales department to finally solve the problem.
Thank you.

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It was planned for the use at
http://www.upjs.sk/en/faculty-of-medici ... y/history/ but obviously you are not interested in the collaboration. What a pity. We will need to find some other manufacturer.

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 Post subject: Re: airflow - bad combination thermistor
PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 7:47 am 

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Hi bbo,

Sorry for the late reply, we were closed due to national festivity.

bbo wrote:
I expected you will provide the technical professional help as well as the answers to my questions!!!

We try to give you the best answer and technical support that we can give through the forum. Sorry if any answer is not as expected. But if we develop a fluent conversation, perhaps we can solve your doubts.

bbo wrote:
I am using your sensor with the HW you have designed and I am using your circuits:
https://www.cooking-hacks.com/media/coo ... lth_v3.pdf

This is not our last circuit. The sensor that you are using is designed to use with these products:

MySignals SW:
https://www.cooking-hacks.com/mysignals ... -tutorial/

MySignals HW:
https://www.cooking-hacks.com/mysignals ... -tutorial/

The schematic that you are using, is from an old platform called "e-health". This platform used this airflow sensor:
https://www.cooking-hacks.com/airflow-s ... th-medical

Which is very different to the sensor that you have bought:
https://www.cooking-hacks.com/airflow-b ... th-medical

Here you have got the e-health platform, which is obsolete:
https://www.cooking-hacks.com/documenta ... i-medical/

In addition, the new MySignals platforms are not open hardware and we do not provide the schematics to create your own circuits.

bbo wrote:
By using these circuits, your sensor gives wrong curves and wrong results.

As i have mentioned, the circuit that you are using, was developed to use with other airflow sensor, not with the new one.

bbo wrote:
They are different from those results which you showed you obtained.

We gave you the output from MySignals SW with the new airflow sensor. Obviously, it can't be the same output.

bbo wrote:
Apparently, it is broken and I told you also the reason which you have ignored for now.

As you said, thermistor for mouth and the right thermistor are positive. Left thermistor is negative. We have tested it in our warehouse and all of them work like this. It is not broken, but you are using the incorrect circuit. We recommend you to use MySignals.

bbo wrote:
I ask for really technician opinion and for clear confirmation that the sensor is built of broken parts!!! And to pass the complaint back to the sales department to finally solve the problem.

I hope the current response is right for you. You are using a wrong circuit with the new Airflo sensor designed for MySignals. I feel the misunderstanding in the previous answer and that this was not to your liking. It is my fault for not developing it more deeply.

bbo wrote:
It was planned for the use at
http://www.upjs.sk/en/faculty-of-medici ... y/history/ but obviously you are not interested in the collaboration. What a pity. We will need to find some other manufacturer.

If you want, you can look to use MySignals, I am sure that if you have got an interesting project our sales department will give you a good opportunity.

thanks.

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